I am not an expert on the fixed stars or their application in astrology, but enjoy reading the comments.
Please feel free to chat away on this subject.
I am not an expert on the fixed stars or their application in astrology, but enjoy reading the comments.
Please feel free to chat away on this subject.
Is anyone doing fixed star astrology?
Toby Tylor
yes Toby, heaps of it
is there an instruction page?
it’s very fascinating, but what does one DO with this stuff?
Hi Anne
I was at the ISAR astrology conference in Chicago a few weeks ago and attended a lecture by Joseph A Polise regarding the Royal Stars of Persia.
His lecture was well attended and he was asking delegates if they knew what had happened to your site. I told him it was still up and running but still no mundane interpretations yet
Regards
John
John Frawley uses fixed stars.
I looked at your page about dheu, death and frankly am quite disappointed to see that nowhere was mentioned any slavic origins or relations. The Slavic language as you may or may not know is spoken by more than half of all of Europe and should be looked at more closely for the origins of the Indo-European languages.
The Pie word Dheu is also where Slavic languages get the word Duh, meaning Soul,ghost, breath. Dusha is also soul in slavic. PIE Dheu is also where they get the word Dust – coming from Vapors, smoke. Smoke and vapors in the slavic languages is Dim (pronounced deem). I see a cognate there.
I also wish to add that the name Nebula for the interstellar dust was quite interesting to me since it reminded me of the word Nebo meaning Sky in the slavic languages. Yet when looking up Nebula and its name origins, I can only see that it has Latin origins, some sites say Cloud in Latin, and some sites say it means Mist in Latin. I would definitely add slavic origins of Nebo! By the way, Polvere is dust in Italian.
Who is to say that Latin can’t be a derivative of Proto-slavic?
I found your site about five years ago and then one day it was gone. Can’t tell you how disappointed I was that it was off line. Then just a few months ago I found you again and was so happy. Your site is very professional and so informative. Thank you for all your hard work!
On your web page:
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Regulus.html
… you quote from Richard Hinckley Allen, 1889 concerning Regulus:
“Regulus enters the sign Virgo in 2012 AD. It entered the sign Leo in 156 BC”
…and
“At one time these four stars marked the two Equinoxes and two Solstices. Aldebaran marked the zero Aries point in 3044 BC, Antares marked zero Libra 3052 BC, Fomalhaut marked zero Capricorn, 2582 BC, Regulus marked zero Cancer 2345 BC.”
Do you know if these quotes refer to the tropical signs, or the sidereal constellations?
Thank you for any light you may be able to shed on this.
I just realised the second quote must be referring to the tropical/season signs. But what about the first?
Hi Avatar17
I only use tropical on my website, never sideral.
I calculated these dates on the Solarfire progam
Anne
Hi Anne
Thanks for that.
I’ll cross-check these, though I’m sure your calculations are correct!
Interesting data.
Many thanks again. Great site!
Hello Anne, Thanks for the wonderful site and link to Michael’s as well.
Hello Avatar17 -
The program I am using, ‘astrolog’ from matrixastrology software, shows Jan 7, 2011 to be the date when Regulus goes 0 00 Virgo. The first minute of arc will be on April 4, 2012.
29 11/12 Leo is my ascendant!
You scared me Anne, this site was down yesterday and I wrote a blog about it: Information on the Fixed Stars in Astrology.
Hi Jamie
I read that wonderful blog.
Thank you!
I didn’t realize the site was down yesterday until late in the day.
I had tried to pay my renewal fee for the site some time ago and there was some techical difficulty. I put it off and then forgot about it.
Now I have paid the fee for two years so that should be alright for that time.
You have an interesting article on your website on the effects of the January solar eclipse.
Anne
Hi, I found this page while doing a word-search on the Dioscuri (which brought me to Gemini). I’m doing a devotional work on these gods and am always searching for more information. If you’re curious here’s a page discussing it:
http://www.neosalexandria.org/dioskouroi_devotional.htm
Your discussion of the Gemini constellation is fascinating (and I’d love to have it for something in the devotional). On the origin of the name “Pollux” though, that appears to be the Latin pronunciation of the original Greek version of the name, which is “Polydeuces.” That name means “much sweet wine.” Thought you’d like to know.
John
Hi John
Thanks for giving me that etymology of Pollux. It has prompted me to include this explanation on the Gemini page. http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Gemini.html
According to Wikipedia Castor means ‘beaver’ in both Greek and Latin, and polydeukes (Polydeuces, Poludeukes, Polydeukous, Latinized as Pollux) means “much sweet wine”. Greek polus, ‘much, many’, + deukes ’sweet’; “very sweet”.
Polydeuces might also relate to “many twos”; -deuces, relating to Greek duo (duce, deuce, etc); because it was he who wanted to share with Castor half their days in Heaven and the other half in Hades;
“Polydeukes chose for both this twofold life” – Pindar, Odes Nemean 10 ep3-ep5
Another explanation comes from The Lost Language of Symbolism; “In Greece the Twins were known as Polydeuces, a word which as it stands means many dukes or many leaders. The word deuce, used to-day (early 20th century) as an ejaculation, may be equated with the first syllable of disheal !–an exclamation which is made in the Highlands on any sudden peril or emergency.”
Jana Thompson of the American Philological Association examines the name Poludeukes and gives some interesting suggestions. http://www.apaclassics.org/AnnualMeeting/04mtg/abstracts/THOMPSON.html
The links to sources are on the Gemini Page
Excellent, glad to be of help Anne. The Dioskouroi are my favorites and I love reading about them.
BTW, the link you provided is most fascinating. Thanks, I had not seen that before and it will prompt me to look at more items later.
The information on this website concerning the place in the zodiac for the nakshatras (hindu mansions) is not correct. The information is from a book printed in the 1920’s by someone who clearly had not studied Jyotish. Apparently the sidereal and fixed/solar systems got mixed up with each other. Also, before comparing positions of planets in these Arabic fixed constellations use the Lahiri ayanamsha before interpretation or you will also fall into the trap of using contemporary western astrology understandings/techniques with a fixed background of constellations and the respective interpretations for it!! Be warned.
Varuna
You are refering to the information on this page
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/MoonMansions.htm
You say
“use the Lahiri ayanamsha before interpretation ”
Wikipedia has;
“Ayanamsa also ayanabhaga (Sk. bhaga “portion”), is the Sanskrit term in Indian astronomy for the amount of precession.[1] In astrology, this is the longitudinal difference between the Tropical (Sayana) and Sidereal (Nirayana) zodiacs.”
Do you mean that the positions of the nakshatras (hindu mansions), that I have on this webiste, are incorrect?
Or do you mean that the interpretations are incorrect?
Thank you for this suggestion. I would like to get it right.
Is there a website that I can refer to?
Anne
Yes, I mean that the positions are incorrect, not only on the page you listed above, but in parts of the interpretation pages of the Arabic fixed stars pages. I did not verify the interpretations as to whether or not they are also incorrect since I just discovered your site. If they are also incorrect I will let you know.
The correct zodiac positions for the nakshatras can be found at:
http://www.astrojyoti.com/nakshatrachart.htm
I am not interested in starting a war with so-called western practitioners, since I am only interested in the truth. However, I cannot understand how it is possible to interpret the results of the planets on a “fixed” background (without continuously changing the interpretations) by using the solar year as a basis for the positions of the planets relative to the fixed background of stars.
According to my understanding, the ancient sages or rishis were able to intuit the effects of certain stars especially when their energy combined with highly condensed energy points in our solar system, e.g. conjunction of a planet with a star or group of stars.
As the devolution commenced from the golden to silver to bronze and to our age – the iron age or kali yuga, the superior capacities of humans were lost and so certain, in this case – astrology, information was passed down orally or written down to benefit those of us who live in this age.
If one goes outside right now and looks at Mars it will be found around the fixed star Mirzam (06:33 Cancer) according to the information on your site. However, western astrology calculations will place it near the fixed star Aludra or Talitha (00:34 Leo), clearly there is something wrong here.
I propose that western astrologers change the names of the Sun’s houses from the current names such as Cancer and Leo to another system of names similar to the Moon’s phases, e.g. The Spring solstice or Aries could be renamed something that symbolizes the beginning of the Solar cycle, or perhaps the end of December could be considered the start. Whatever names are decided on is irrelevant.
What is important is that many people will be protected from making mistakes in interpreting astrology information if the solar zodiac is renamed, and the fixed stars retain their names and interpretations but are only interpreted by using, in my opinion, the Lahiri ayanamsha. The credibility of astrology will be greatly enhanced. I have had discussions with non-astrologers who also knew a little bit about it and inevitably they state: “My Sun sign is Gemini but when I was born the Sun was actually in Taurus. How can astrology be accurate or even be a science?” Or, some such thing…
When I was reading the information on these fixed stars I noticed that certain famous people were mentioned as having a certain planet conjunct to a certain star but when I looked at the said individual’s natal charts I noticed that there was about a 23 degree difference, i.e. the difference due to the precession of the equinox when they were born…
namaste
This website uses only the Tropical (Western, precessed 23… degrees), positions of the stars, planets and nakshatras.
In fact the Hindu Vedic system, not using the 23 degree precessed positions, will still have their planets aligned against the same backdrop of stars and nakshatras.
Can you give me an example of where my positions are wrong?
Thank you. There is some interesting interpretations of the nakshatras on that site. It gives the Vedic positions.
I hope someone can help me out on this one. I don’t know enough to explain the theory, although I can understand your doubts.
It is sad that so much knowledge has been lost. It does seem that we have devolved.
Mars is aligned in longitude with Aludra in Ursa Major, although there is a large difference in latitude. I don’t know how you see it as near Mirzam in Canis Major?
I’ve read an Indian astrologer’s opinion saying that he believed the psychological interpretations of the sun signs in Western astrology were more true, but Hindu astrology was much better for predictions.
There are disputes over whether Vedic or Western astrology is the correct system, and I, for one, wish it wasn’t all so complicated.
However, we can be certain of the precise position of planets and stars and their relationship to each other. I hope we can clear up the misunderstanding on the positions.
I intend to study the symbolism of the nakshatras. The website you directed me to might be a start.
Anne
I understand that you are using the Western astrology approach on this site, and I do agree that certain aspects of Western astrology are very useful (I am not concerned with what is the best or worst system, this does not interest me). I was not suggesting that your listed positions In The Zodiac are “wrong,” (although the nakshatras were wrongly listed In The Zodiac position) I was suggesting that when reading a chart it might be very beneficial to use the Lahiri ayanamsha – in regards to the many Arabic fixed stars listed, since it is inconceivable to me that Western astrology can give an accurate picture of a planet conjunct a star which has a 2000 year old interpretation/description, i.e. a description of a group of stars that have been removed by, as of today, 24:01 degrees or so, from the place where the Sun rises on the spring equinox or the start of “Aries” of the solar cycle – but this is not Aries the constellation anymore.
When I mentioned Mars being where it was, I was comparing its longitude only, to use as a quick example, of the difference in longitudinal degrees between the fixed and precessed systems. And thereby suggesting that if we take the western position as valid with ancient descriptions, and interpret the said position using descriptions of the energy being put out out by a certain star or group of stars then it does not make sense anymore.
Think of it this way, if Mars is “physically – in actuality” located at 6:33 Cancer then Jyotish lists this as being in the Pushya asterism (3:20-16:40 Cancer), now if you use the Western calculation (based solely on the solar cycle) Mars will be listed at 00:34 Leo and Jyotish lists this as being in the Magha asterism (00:00-13:20 Leo). Both of these interpretations cannot be correct at the same time, one of them is wrong. The same is true of other ancient fixed star interpretations…
The reason you don’t see Mars at Mirzam is because your astrology calculations are based on Western astrology and these calculations are based on the longitude from the position of the Sun on the spring equinox (start of the solar cycle “Aries 00:00″) each year. This position changes continuously in the zodiac, by a fraction of a degree each year. In other words, Mars is not physically in Leo anymore (although your calculations place it there) it is physically located in the beginning of Cancer and this can be verified if you go outside and look at it.
This is the problem and the reason I suggest changing the names of the Solar Cycle Zodiac (Western astrology), since it is not based on physical reality or the background of stars and constellations. Western astrology is based solely on the solar cycle and the planets relationships to this solar cycle, but not to the physical background of stars anymore.
When using the hindu nakshatras or the individual Arabic fixed star charts they need to be used with the Lahiri ayanamsha, and not Western astrology calculations. If one uses Western astrology to create a natal chart and then compares the locations of the planets in that chart with the interpretations of the hindu lunar mansions, and with the Arabic fixed stars, the planets will be in the wrong place and so the interpretation will be rendered meaningless…
Hopefully this is more clear.
If this is still not clear, please check out this link. I saw this site after discussing this issue and it is by Western astrologers addressing the very same problem and confusion…
http://shamanicastrology.com/articles/the-difference-between-signs-and-constellations
Your explanation has given me a better understanding. It’s really the interpretations you dispute.
That website link you gave says much of what I was thinking. http://shamanicastrology.com/articles/the-difference-between-signs-and-constellations The comments there are also worth reading.
The fixed stars and nakshatras are both subject to precession in the western system, the tropical system. It is the signs that move, not the stars or nakshatras; the stars and nakshatras are fixed. Mars is in the sign Leo, but physically in the constellation Cancer, as you say.
You say “If one uses Western astrology to create a natal chart and then compares the locations of the planets in that chart with the interpretations of the Hindu lunar mansions, and with the Arabic fixed stars, the planets will be in the wrong place and so the interpretation will be rendered meaningless… ” My answer to this is that we don’t read an astrological chart in the same way Indians do, where the degree of the signs have meanings in themselves. The Hindu nakshatras (and other Lunar Mansions) are in much the same positions as the zodiac fixed stars (more or less), and can be useful to us because there is a lot of knowledge associated with them, they bear the symbolism of particular stars, or star groups. We have the same problems with nakshatras as we do with fixed stars due to precessing into other signs. There may be differences in interpretation but I think they would be subtle.
In the year 280 AD (or so) our two zodiacs, Indian and Western positions coincided, when 0? Aries occurred on the Spring Equinox. Now, in 2010, 24 degrees of the signs has moved back over the previous sign. Or we say the fixed stars have mostly precessed into the following signs.
It is a bit difficult to interpret this satisfactory. They still retain their position in the figure of the constellation. Some say that the stars now have the flavor of the next sign. Some say this is evolution.
We no longer have the Rishis around to intuit the meanings of these changes. I often wish there were people around who had the understanding of the Rishis and the ancients. We are left in a state of confusion, but we cannot dismiss the knowledge that has been handed down to us. We have seen enough proof, through research, to know that a fixed star will often have its traditional effect, although there might be subtleties relating to the signs that we ignore (for the most part).
I’m wondering how Regulus will behave when it enters Virgo in 2012, what will happen to royalty, and how will Virgo ‘regulation’ differ from Leo ‘regulation’
The Taoist maxim, “those who know do not talk, and those who do not know talk,” is not necessarily referring to the end and beginning of ages but it needs to be stated so that I can demonstrate something by talking.
Interestingly, both the Mayan calendar and the Hindu calendar begin in the second decade of the 31st century bc, although the actual date has been distorted and is now almost impossible (for myself) to resurrect. It is hard to believe that this similar starting date for this cycle is a coincidence.
However, there is much conflicting information concerning what this actually means, e.g. how long an age is, or if the Mayan renewal cycle around 2012 is referring to the end of the Iron Age or if it is referring to the end of an age within the Iron Age, and so on.
Based on my studies of the prophecies concerning the end of the Kali Yuga I would be hesitant to say that the Golden Age is near at hand. Since it does not seem to me that humanity has experienced and suffered to the extent spoken of in the ancient texts (although this is debatable). My main point is: if one does not have expectations then one will not be disappointed, if one is not disappointed then one’s spirit will never grow old.
So with that being said, Leo means “the protector of it’s followers.” And Virgo (no offense intended) is a more deceptive energy but with the potential for inner equanimity. However, we know that our rulers are already deceptive. I am not sure what to think about Regulus.
i have forwded to quiery related to fixsatar prediction that is alhelca connected to moon, venus,satern, etc., in your planet connected column but many of the places you are mention constolation which is confusing please carryfy
The fixed star Al Hecka http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/AlHecka.html
in the constellation Taurus.
I list the traditional influences of the fixed star given by Robson, and also what we know of the constellation.
The stars are also influenced by the constellation they are in. The constellation, as I see it, gives the dominating ‘flavor’ to the star.
As this star is on the tip of the Bull’s horn, one would expect it to have a more active, piercing, or Marsian, flavor than other stars in the Bull (except El Nath which is on the tip of the other horn).